Mamahood After Trauma | Trauma Informed Parenting, Emotional Regulation for Moms
Mamahood After Trauma Podcast Trauma-Informed Parenting | Emotional Regulation | Manage Triggers in Motherhood Are you a mama carrying childhood trauma while trying to parent with patience, presence, and peace? You’re not alone—and you’re in the right place. I’m Emily Cleghorn, trauma-surviving mama of two and Trigger Recovery Coach for Mamas. I created this podcast to support women navigating maternal mental health, trauma-informed motherhood, and the emotional chaos that can come with parenting after pain. Every week, you’ll find trauma-informed conversations, healing strategies, and real talk about: ✨ Managing triggers in motherhood without guilt or shame ✨ Emotional regulation for moms when everything feels like too much ✨ Building resilience in motherhood after emotional or birth trauma ✨ Reclaiming your peace while raising securely attached, connected children ✨ Breaking generational cycles through practical, heart-led parenting Whether you’re coping with maternal trauma, navigating postpartum triggers, or simply trying to stay calm after a hard day, this show offers the tools, stories, and support you need to heal—without losing yourself in the process. This is more than a podcast. It’s a lifeline for mamas rewriting the story. So take a deep breath. Let’s walk this healing path together—one episode, one moment of peace, one breakthrough at a time. 🎧 Subscribe now and start your journey toward peaceful, trauma-informed parenting. For more information, visit https://https://mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/podcast Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
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Have you ever felt like parenting was a rollercoaster ride you couldn't get off? For those of us navigating the challenges of raising complex or neurospicy kids while dealing with our own trauma responses, it can feel like a perfect storm of chaos and overwhelm.
In this eye-opening episode, I sit down with Diane Dempster from Impact Parents to explore the intricate dance between neurodiversity, trauma, and parenting. We unpack the hidden struggles many of us face and offer practical strategies to break free from shame cycles and reactive patterns.
Embracing Neurodiversity in Parenting
Diane shares her wealth of experience in supporting parents of complex kids, emphasizing the power of neurodiversity-informed coaching tools. We discuss:
The interplay between trauma and neurodiversity in both parents and children
How coaching techniques can empower kids to overcome obstacles and foster independence
The importance of recognizing and working with your child's unique neurological makeup
Breaking the Cycle of Shame and Reactivity
One of the most powerful insights Diane offers is the role shame plays in perpetuating our struggles. We explore:
How to recognize and interrupt the trigger-react-shame cycle
Practical tools for cultivating self-compassion in challenging moments
The transformative power of normalizing our experiences without excusing harmful behaviors
"Nobody wants to cause an ACE (Adverse Childhood Experience). I believe that everybody does the best they can." - Diane Dempster
Collaborative Problem-Solving with Your Kids
Diane introduces a game-changing approach to managing family dynamics:
Creating a shared language and toolbox for emotional regulation
The power of partnering with your children to find solutions that work for everyone
How transparency and accountability can strengthen your relationship with your kids
A Toolbox for Tough Moments
We dive into specific strategies you can use when emotions run high:
The "order of operations" for de-escalating tense situations
Creative ways to meet both your needs and your child's needs simultaneously
The importance of understanding your own patterns and triggers
If you're ready to transform your approach to parenting and break free from the chains of shame and reactivity, this episode is your roadmap to creating a more peaceful, understanding home environment. Listen now and take the first step towards becoming the parent you've always wanted to be – for yourself and your children.Connect with Diane- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ImpactParents Parenting With Impact podcast: https://impactparents.com/podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactparents/ Resources: https://impactparents.com/resources/
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
3 days ago
3 days ago
Have you ever felt the weight of generational trauma pressing down on your shoulders as you navigate motherhood? That overwhelming desire to do things differently, to break free from the patterns that have haunted your family for generations? You're not alone in this struggle, mama.
As a trauma survivor and trigger recovery coach, I've walked this path myself. Today, I'm opening up about what it truly means to be a cycle breaker - and let me tell you, it's far from the polished, Instagram-worthy image we often see.
The Raw Reality of Breaking Cycles
Being a cycle breaker isn't just about making bold declarations or creating vision boards (though those can certainly help). It's about:
Choosing to stay present when every fiber of your being wants to shut down
Taking that crucial pause before reacting, even if it's just for one breath
Getting back up and trying again, not because it's easy, but because you know deep in your soul that this pain stops with you
From Survival to Sacred Transformation
I vividly remember the moment my own healing journey truly began. Just weeks after giving birth to my first child, I was hit by a tsunami of repressed emotions. In that raw, vulnerable state, I had to make a choice: run away or face the unknown.
I chose to stay - not because I felt strong, but because my love for my daughter was more powerful than my fear of confronting my own pain. That decision became the catalyst for profound change in my life and ultimately led to the creation of my new book, "Breaking Free: Parenting in the Midst of Trauma Recovery."
Embracing the Beautiful Mess of Healing
Here's the truth, mama: cycle breaking is exhausting, messy, and often thankless work. You're:
Learning to feel emotions you were never given permission to have
Building boundaries no one taught you how to create
Showing up with intention while still tending to your own wounds
But I want you to hear this loud and clear: Your efforts are incredibly brave and powerful. Even the desire to break the cycle is an act of resistance against generations of pain.
A Lifeline for Your Journey
If you're ready to take the next step in your healing journey, I have something special to offer. My book, "Breaking Free," is now available for pre-order. This isn't a polished manual with all the answers - it's a raw, honest exploration of what it really takes to heal while raising tiny humans.
When you pre-order, you'll not only secure your copy but also:
Gain entry into a special giveaway (running throughout July 2025)
Receive exclusive bonuses to support your healing journey
Are you ready to move from simply surviving to truly thriving? Visit the link below to pre-order your copy of "Breaking Free" and take a powerful step towards the peace and healing you deserve.👉🏼 books.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/breakingfreelaunch
Remember, mama - you're not broken. You're breaking free, and your story is only just beginning.
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Thursday Jun 26, 2025
Thursday Jun 26, 2025
As a mama navigating the challenges of parenting after trauma, have you ever wondered if there might be a way to help your child overcome mental health struggles without medication? I certainly did when my daughter was diagnosed with ADHD at age 7. Like many of us, I felt lost and overwhelmed, unsure of how to best support her.
In this eye-opening episode, I sit down with Dr. Candace Holmes, a natural brain transformation specialist, to explore an innovative approach that's changing lives: neurofeedback therapy. Dr. Holmes shares her personal journey of discovering this drug-free, non-invasive treatment that helped her own daughter flourish.
Unveiling the Power of Neurofeedback
Through our conversation, you'll gain insight into:
How neurofeedback retrains the brain to function optimally
The wide range of conditions it can address, from ADHD to anxiety and PTSD
Real-life transformations, including improved focus, social skills, and confidence
A Mother's Triumph: From Struggle to Success
Dr. Holmes candidly discusses the challenges she faced as a single mom, from marathon homework sessions to heartbreaking social struggles. Her story of perseverance and eventual breakthrough will resonate with any parent who's felt helpless in the face of their child's difficulties.
"I didn't want my daughter labeled... I was sure I didn't want to put her on medication."
Hope for a Brighter Future
If you're feeling stuck or skeptical about traditional treatment options, this episode offers a glimpse into an alternative that could be life-changing for your family. Dr. Holmes emphasizes that you don't have to struggle alone, sharing practical advice on:
How to investigate neurofeedback therapy
What to expect during treatment
The potential for reducing or eliminating medication dependence
Are you ready to explore a new path towards healing and growth for your child? This conversation might just be the first step towards reclaiming peace in your home and helping your little one thrive.Connect with Dr. Candace- https://learn.braincoreofduluth.com/
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Tuesday Jun 24, 2025
Tuesday Jun 24, 2025
Have you ever felt your heart racing, palms sweating, and temper flaring in response to your child's behavior? For many of us healing from trauma, motherhood can feel like navigating an emotional minefield. Those unexpected moments when our little ones push our buttons can leave us feeling overwhelmed and out of control.
But what if I told you there's a way to reclaim your calm, even in the midst of chaos?
In this episode, I'm sharing my go-to strategy for managing triggers and staying grounded: the Trigger Toolkit. This isn't about eliminating triggers entirely (we're human, after all). It's about having practical, accessible tools at your fingertips to help you return to baseline before spiraling into reactivity.
Building Your Emotional First-Aid Kit
I'll walk you through three powerful techniques I rely on when I feel my nervous system going into overdrive:
The 5-5-7 breathing technique: A simple yet effective way to signal safety to your body
The cold water reset: An instant pattern interrupter to bring you back to the present moment
Grounding mantras: Phrases coupled with touch to remind your brain that you're in control
You'll learn why practicing these tools before you need them is crucial, and how your own regulation directly impacts your child's emotional state.
Breaking the Cycle, One Deep Breath at a Time
Remember, mama: Your triggers aren't a sign of failure. They're invitations to heal. By building your Trigger Toolkit, you're not just helping yourself stay calm. You're modeling healthy emotional regulation for your little ones and actively breaking generational cycles.
"Your child doesn't need a perfect parent. They need a present one. One who's doing the work to show up, repair, and grow."
Ready to Create Your Own Trigger Toolkit?
If you're feeling called to take the next step in your healing journey, I have something special for you. My upcoming book, "Breaking Free: Parenting in the Midst of Trauma Recovery," offers a step-by-step guide to building your personalized Trigger Toolkit.
Plus, when you join the waitlist, you'll get first access to exclusive launch bonuses, including:
A companion workbook
Reflection prompts
Calming audio tracks
And more!
Click the link below to join the waitlist and be the first to know when pre-sales open.books.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/waitlist
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Thursday Jun 19, 2025
Thursday Jun 19, 2025
Have you ever wondered why certain challenges keep repeating in your relationship with your child? As mothers, we often find ourselves grappling with patterns that seem to echo from our own childhood, leaving us feeling stuck and frustrated.
In this illuminating episode, I sit down with Kanika Vasudeva, an Akashic Records reader and energy coach, to explore the fascinating world of soul contracts and their profound impact on our parenting journey.
Unveiling the Hidden Threads of Connection
Kanika shares her personal story of transformation, from a high-achieving professional to a spiritual guide helping mothers understand the deeper purpose behind their relationships with their children. Through her work, she reveals how:
Past life experiences can influence current parent-child dynamics
Unresolved trauma from our own upbringing may resurface in our parenting
Understanding soul contracts can bring clarity and healing to challenging relationships
"As a soul, before I had incarnated, I had a sacred contract with my daughter," Kanika explains, offering a powerful perspective on life's most difficult moments.
Transforming Pain into Purpose
Kanika's journey through loss and grief led her to a profound awakening. She discovered that even our most painful experiences can serve as catalysts for growth and self-discovery. This episode will inspire you to:
Reframe challenging experiences as opportunities for spiritual evolution
Explore the deeper meaning behind your child's presence in your life
Release karmic patterns that no longer serve your family's highest good
Practical Tools for Soul-Level Healing
If you're ready to gain a new perspective on your parenting challenges, Kanika offers a free resource to help you:
Understand why you and your child chose each other
Clear karmic patterns affecting your relationship
Redefine your connection on a soul level
This transformative guide provides three 10-minute audio sessions, offering insights that can reshape your entire approach to parenting.
Are you prepared to view your role as a mother through a new lens? To uncover the sacred agreements that brought you and your child together? Listen now and begin the journey of healing not just in this lifetime, but across the tapestry of your soul's existence.Connect with Kanika- https://artoflifecenter.com/parent
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Tuesday Jun 17, 2025
Tuesday Jun 17, 2025
Have you ever found yourself reacting to your children in ways that leave you feeling confused, guilty, or overwhelmed? As mothers who have experienced trauma, our responses to everyday parenting challenges can sometimes feel out of our control. But what if I told you these reactions aren't character flaws, but rather your body's way of trying to keep you safe?
In this eye-opening episode, we're peeling back the layers on the four trauma responses - fight, flight, freeze, and fawn - and how they show up in the trenches of motherhood. Get ready for some serious "aha" moments as we explore:
Recognizing Your Trauma Responses in Parenting
• How the fight response can manifest as yelling or over-controlling behavior• Why you might find yourself constantly cleaning or emotionally checking out (hello, flight response!)• The paralysis of the freeze response when conflicts arise• How people-pleasing and ignoring your own needs stem from the fawn response
From Survival Mode to Conscious Parenting
As we unpack each response, you'll gain insight into the thoughts and behaviors that signal when you're operating from a place of past trauma. More importantly, you'll learn why these responses aren't failures, but adaptations that once kept you alive.
"These are not character flaws," I remind you. "They are simply nervous system adaptations. They are a sign that your body has done its job and kept you safe."
Your Invitation to Heal and Grow
If you're resonating with multiple trauma responses, take a deep breath. This awareness is the first step towards change. I'll guide you through a simple self-reflection exercise to identify your most common response and notice how it feels in your body.
Ready to move from reactive to regulated in your parenting? I've got something special for you. My upcoming book, "Breaking Free: Parenting in the Midst of Trauma Recovery," dives even deeper into these concepts, offering practical tools for shifting out of survival mode.
Join the waitlist now to receive:
Early access to the book
Exclusive pre-order bonuses
Surprise goodies to support your healing journey
Remember, beautiful cycle breaker, you don't have to figure this out alone. Let's continue mending the past so we can parent from a place of peace - one breath at a time.Join the waitlist here:
books.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/waitlist
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Thursday Jun 12, 2025
Thursday Jun 12, 2025
Have you ever felt like your body was working against you, leaving you exhausted, foggy-headed, and struggling to find balance? For many of us navigating the aftermath of trauma, these physical symptoms can feel like betrayal – but what if they're actually your body's way of communicating that something needs attention?
In this eye-opening episode, I'm joined by Dr. Jen Shell, a holistic chiropractor with over two decades of experience. Together, we explore the intricate connection between trauma, chronic stress, and physical health, offering a fresh perspective on healing that goes beyond traditional approaches.
Unveiling the Hidden Impact of Trauma on Your Body
Dr. Shell sheds light on how trauma disrupts our body's natural state of balance, triggering a cascade of physical symptoms that can persist long after the initial event. You'll gain insight into:
Why your digestive system might feel "off" even years after experiencing trauma
The surprising link between chronic stress and premature graying
How trauma can impact fertility and hormonal health
Reclaiming Your Health: Practical Steps for Trauma Survivors
This conversation isn't just about understanding – it's about empowering you with actionable strategies to support your body's healing journey. We discuss:
The power of supplementation in restoring balance to your nervous system
Simple techniques to interrupt stress loops and ground yourself in the present moment
Why trusting your body's wisdom is crucial for true healing
"Your body isn't working against you – it's trying to communicate with you."
A Holistic Approach to Trauma Recovery
Dr. Shell emphasizes the importance of addressing trauma recovery from multiple angles. You'll learn about:
The role of nutrition in supporting your nervous system
How chiropractic care can complement other healing modalities
The unexpected benefits of certain supplements in reversing trauma's physical effects
Your Invitation to Healing
If you're ready to approach your trauma recovery with a renewed sense of hope and understanding, this episode is your starting point. Dr. Shell's compassionate insights and practical advice offer a roadmap for reconnecting with your body's innate wisdom and capacity for healing.
Are you prepared to listen to your body in a whole new way? Tune in now and take the first step towards reclaiming your health and vitality after trauma.Connect with Dr. Jen- https://bit.ly/4014oEA
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Tuesday Jun 10, 2025
Tuesday Jun 10, 2025
Have you ever felt like your past is silently shaping your present, especially in the way you parent? As mamas healing from trauma, we often carry invisible burdens that can resurface in unexpected ways when we're faced with the challenges of motherhood.
In this raw and honest episode, I'm pulling back the curtain on what trauma really means and how it impacts our journey as mothers. It's not just about the big, dramatic events we often associate with trauma. Sometimes, it's the subtle, everyday experiences that leave lasting imprints on our nervous systems.
Understanding Trauma's Hidden Impact
Through personal stories and hard-won insights, I'll guide you to recognize:
How trauma can manifest in seemingly "normal" parenting struggles
The surprising ways our bodies hold onto past experiences
Why you might react intensely to your child's behavior (hint: it's not about them)
From Survival Mode to Thriving
If you've ever found yourself reacting in ways that left you feeling guilty or ashamed, know that you're not alone. I'll share:
Why these reactions are often rooted in past experiences, not current reality
How to start recognizing your triggers and trauma responses
Practical steps to begin calming your nervous system in challenging moments
Embracing Your Journey to Healing
Remember, mama: you're not broken, and you're not a bad mother. You're carrying a heavy load, but there's hope and healing ahead.
I'll introduce you to tools and resources that can help you:
Reconnect with your children during difficult moments
Build resilience and self-compassion
Create a path forward that honors your past while embracing your present
Are you ready to start mending the past so you can find peace in your motherhood journey? Listen now and take the first step towards understanding and healing your trauma responses.
And don't forget to grab your free Unlocking Peace guide – your first step towards creating calm and managing triggers with ease. The link is waiting for you below 👇🏻👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guideBreaking Free Waitlist here:
books.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/waitlist Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Thursday Jun 05, 2025
Thursday Jun 05, 2025
Have you ever found yourself struggling to create emotional safety for your child while grappling with your own unresolved trauma? As trauma-surviving mamas, we often face the challenge of helping our little ones navigate big feelings when we're still learning to manage our own.
In this heartfelt episode, I sit down with Jenny Hornby, a licensed counselor and fellow mama, to explore the delicate balance of healing ourselves while nurturing our children's emotional well-being. Jenny shares her insights from both professional experience and personal motherhood journey, offering a compassionate perspective on this common struggle.
Embracing Imperfection: The Key to Stronger Attachments
Jenny reveals a surprising truth that might just ease your mama guilt: perfect parenting isn't the goal. In fact, she explains how making mistakes, owning them, and repairing the relationship actually builds stronger attachments with our children. This revelation can be incredibly freeing for those of us striving to break generational cycles.
Practical Strategies for Emotional Regulation
• Acknowledge and validate both your emotions and your child's
• Create moments of connection through play and undivided attention
• Carve out essential time for self-reflection and nervous system regulation
• Practice the art of sincere apology and relationship repair
The Power of Small, Consistent Steps
If you're feeling overwhelmed by the healing journey ahead, Jenny's encouraging words will resonate deeply. She emphasizes that even small, consistent actions can make a profound difference in both your life and your child's.
"Whatever small thing they can do is going to make a big difference as they do it consistently," Jenny reminds us. Whether it's 20 minutes of quiet reflection, intentional playtime, or practicing apologies, these small steps add up to significant change.
Are you ready to approach your healing journey with renewed compassion and practical tools? This episode offers a gentle reminder that you're not alone in this process. By tuning in, you'll gain valuable insights to help you create a more emotionally safe environment for both yourself and your children.
Remember, mama: your commitment to growth is already making a difference. Let's continue this journey together, one small step at a time.Connect with Jenny- http://msjennybooks.com/
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc
Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
Have you ever felt like you're trying to heal from past trauma while simultaneously navigating the challenges of motherhood? It's a journey that can often feel isolating and overwhelming, leaving you wondering if you're doing enough for your children while still tending to your own wounds.
As a mama who has walked this path, I understand the weight of carrying your own story while striving to create a peaceful home for your little ones. That's why I'm thrilled to share some exciting news with you – my upcoming book, "Breaking Free: Parenting in the Midst of Trauma Recovery."
In this intimate episode, I pull back the curtain and reveal the deeply personal reasons behind writing this book. You'll hear about:
The Moment That Sparked It All
The night I lay in bed, feeling completely drained and questioning how to heal while still mothering
Why I knew I had to create the resource I wished I'd had during my own healing journey
A Book Born from Real Experience
How I've poured every raw, messy, and beautiful part of my journey into these pages
Why this isn't just another parenting or trauma recovery book, but a guide for mamas in the thick of both
Who This Book is For
Feeling overwhelmed and wondering if you're doing enough
Longing to feel safe in your own skin
Ready to create a life that's truly yours, not just a reaction to past trauma
Determined to find your power and cultivate peace at home, even as you continue healing
What's Coming Next
Exciting pre-order bonuses and giveaways to support your growth
How to join my launch team and get an advanced reader copy
Remember, mama, you're not alone in this journey. You're not just surviving – you're mending. And you're so worthy of the peaceful life you're building.
Are you ready to take the next step in your healing journey while showing up as the mother you want to be? Stay tuned for more sneak peeks, and make sure to follow me on Instagram (@emily.mamahoodaftertrauma) or join my email list to be the first to know when pre-orders open.
Together, we're mending the past so we can mother in peace.
🎁 Ready to break free from the chaos and unlock peace in your motherhood journey?
Start with my free guide, Unlocking Peace, designed to help you take the first step toward calm and connection.
👉 Download it for free today: https://freebie.mamahoodaftertrauma.ca/guide
Want to be a guest on Mamahood After Trauma? Send Emily Cleghorn a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/riseandshinewithemilyc